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Yolo County's Taijiquan — YANG Family Style / CHOY Family Lineage - T'AI CHI CH'UAN (Taijiquan) & CH'I KUNG (Qigong) — practitioner, tutor, educator;
leads The City of Trees T'ai Chi Ch'uan & Ch'i Kung - Kung Fu, Beginners' Grove, a Tai Chi group which meets semi-privately on Monday evenings, 6:30pm - 8:00pm, ongoing since 2009, at Main & First Streets, in downtown Woodland Calif.
YCSifu teaches traditional Yang Style T'ai Chi Ch'uan. YCSifu was a direct student of Master Choy Kam-Man, his first teacher, as well as later also a student of various students in the Cheng Man-Ch'ing Lineage tradition, including Master Tao Ping-Siang, Master Benjamin Lo Jen-Peng, Master Sifu Robert Amacker, and Master Sifu Peter Ralston (ChengHsin.com).
For additional information about The City of Trees T'ai Chi Ch'uan & Ch'i Kung - Kung Fu, Beginners' Grove Tai Chi group, contact <[email protected]>.
Comments
2011-03-01 17:50:37 If Tai Chi - T'ai Chi Ch'uan - Taijiquan are three names for the same thing you could just make the page under the primary name and then make redirects from the other two. —JasonAller
2011-03-01 18:27:12 Jason, why would you want to do that? The whole point of the "Tai Chi - Tai Ch'i Ch'uan - Taijiquan" page is to have those three on the same page (in the title), since that page starts off by clarifying the differences. The intent is to use the Woodland context to clarify that these three names do NOT mean "the same thing", but are easily confused as such (and the two that could mean the same thing are actually in different languages, two languages that ought NOT to be intermixed, and that does need to be clarified for the Woodland reader, who might later be a potential editor of that or other related pages), ... and to then use that clarification to relate what has gone on in Woodland in the past and is going on in Woodland in the present relating to this topic. The "Tai Chi - Tai Ch'i Ch'uan - Taijiquan" is a jump off, a start (a kind of reference) page for other pages relating to this activity. The point is to all get on "the same page" with the words we are going to use concerning this activity in Woodland and Yolo County. —YCSifu
2011-03-01 19:56:13 Hey, Mr. or Ms. Sifu. I noticed your comment to Jason, and figured I'd mention something to try and help you a bit. Anybody can delete anything on the wiki. And conversely, anybody can restore anything. Nothing is ever permanently deleted on a wiki during editing. All changes are always visible and retrievable via the "Info" icon in the titlebar. Please remember that all content on the wiki is collaboratively edited; we're all working together here. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards
2011-03-01 20:32:55 Hi Jason, re WoodlandWiki "Tai Chi - Tai Ch'i Ch'uan - Taijiquan" page: Apparently, though it says that you "DELEATED" the page, you actually renamed the page to "Tai Chi" (great relief!). But,Jason, that is THE worst choice of the possible three choices of 'singular'-izing that title. You chose the vernacular, 'incorrect' usage which is most easily mixed up with other misused transliterated/romanizations of Mandarin which end up with the word "Tai" and/or "Chi", — for example Chi, 極, (or, "Chi" as in "T'ai Chi" [Taiji]) is not the same as Ch'i, 氣, (or, "Chi" as in "Ch'i Kung" [Qigong]), — that is,極 [jí] is not the same as 氣 [qì] — both the actual phonetics and the sare different, and the meaning of course is totally unrelated, as is obvious from the Mandarin calligraphy. Similarly for the use of "T'ai" versus "Tai". But further, "Tai Chi" really (literally) just refers to the Yin/Yang symbol, as it makes no reference to "Ch'uan" [quan] which is actually an integral component of the meaning of what is the activity being referred to. So, making that a "Tai Chi" page is taking the Woodland Wiki to the lowest possible 'denominator'. No one would expect you, or most Woodland or Yolo County residents to realize that. I did not 'get it' right for years. There are even people who write whole books in which they use the two "Chi" as if they are the same! But let's us do better. So, what about the other two possibilities ("T'ai Chi Ch'uan" & "Taijiquan")? Well, since we are writing in English, and not in Mandarin, we ought not to use the Pin-Yin system, though it is becoming popular for some things (like we tend to write Beijing instead of Peking, nowadays). In English one could, better perhaps, choose to use "T'ai Chi Ch'uan" for the page title, especially as it is closer to the 'vernacu;ar' that many people are used to seeing. But, that is missing the point of that page, as I have indicated in a previous comment. There ought to be at least one page on the Woodland Wiki where all three are used in the actual title, so anyone looking for any one of those three terms will automatically go to that page first, and not just by being "redirected" there (though I do understand the importance of "redirecting" WHEN otherwise there might be the temptation to create multiple pages, which here is NOT the case; as that is not the issue here, is it?). I have taken the liberty of changing the page title from "Tai Chi" to "T'ai Chi", which at least is more linguistically correct. But the page ought to at the least be called "T'ai Chi Ch'uan" as that is actually what is being written about. But I still want to make the case for naming the page "Tai Chi - Tai Ch'i Ch'uan - Taijiquan", as all three is actually what is written about, ON THAT PAGE. —YCSifu
2011-03-01 20:46:46 So, Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards, if a page has been "DELETED", and the page name actually no longer exists (like if you write it as a link on a page it comes up with 'dash'-ed underlining, as though it has to yet be created), where do you find it? What 'titlebar'? what 'info' icon? — the whole thing is gone. —YCSifu
2011-03-01 20:53:25 Click on the dashed link and then click the Info icon (there is one on every page, even deleted pages). See it there at the top? Right between "Edit" and "Talk". You can also see a list of all changes on the entire wiki by clicking the "Recent Changes" tab (or at least the recent ones). —JabberWokky
2011-03-01 20:55:13 By the way, you only need to reply to the person's entry to leave a message for them... no need to duplicate it. When you make a change to somebody's profile, they get a notice (the "messages" note in the upper right of the page). —JabberWokky
2011-03-01 21:42:39 Jason, actually, because this is a complex matter, involving both multiple Mandarin transliteration issues, as well as topical issues, I would suggest that "Tai Chi" & "T'ai Chi" &太極", and "T'ai Chi Ch'uan" & "Taijiquan" (& "Tàijíquán" ?), and "太極拳" & "太极拳" (which uses the modernized 'simplified' Mandarin characters), all redirect to a "Tai Chi - T'ai Chi Ch'uan - Taijiquan" titled page. I do not know how to set up "redirect"s. Would you assist me in doing that, if you approve? —YCSifu
- I was working off the text you provided. You've sort of missed out on a Welcome to the Wiki, which should have included some information about what collaborative editing is, how to use a wiki to strengthen a community, and why to follow the suggestion provided at the time you created your account to use your real name and not the name of an organization. —JasonAller
2011-03-01 22:03:56 Yes, Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards, I realized that. But then all those comments are just 'half'-conversations (like communications with no feedback, — remember how error prone computer printing used to be? — remember what solved that?), almost as bad as 'orphan' pages, ... sort of (not quite because of the link to your profile). But someone looking at my profile page, with interest in what my concerns are, would have to skip back and forth between our profiles to get the actual gist of our conversation, and I wanted to save them the inconvenience. Otherwise, why make our conversation visible at all to others? —YCSifu
2011-03-01 22:50:37 It's open so that people can join in. Most people periodically delete or archive their messages. For a larger group of people, there are Talk pages (that third icon, right after Edit and Info), which are traditionally used for more than two people to discuss a particular topic. For instance, Tai Chi Chuan/Talk might be used for people to discuss the Tai Chi Chuan entry. Typically Talk pages are deleted after the discussion ends (as they are used for talking about the wiki, not talking about Woodland, so they aren't really useful to keep). —JabberWokky
2011-03-01 23:18:43 Page names work best when they can be used naturally in text and turned into a link. Instead of "All Best Copper (ABC)" it is better to make two pages if needed "All Best Copper" and "ABC" and have ABC redirect to the full name. That way when someone mentions ABC in either manner it can be turned into a link by enclosing it with [""] and not ["All Best Copper (ABC)" ABC] which is harder to type and less easy to remember. —JasonAller
2011-03-02 02:18:10 Jason, re Woodland Wiki: I appreciate your now taking the time to 'feedback' with me. This can lead to mutual understanding. Your example is good because it helps illustrate the distinct differences: namely "All Best Copper (ABC)". "ABC" is simply an abbreviation for "All Best Copper". There is a one-to-one relationship between the two, a correspondence. I do understand that for simplicity of writing to set up links from other pages, it is convenient to have both an "ABC" page defined and an "All Best Copper" page defined, where only one holds the actual write-up, and the other redirects to the one. re "CASA": Before I set up the "CASA" link on the "Volunteer ..." page, I searched for "CASA", and somehow missed the presence of the "Yolo County CASA" page, otherwise that is what I would have used. Of course, all the CASA organizations (except the National CASA) fall within the jurisdictions of the local Superior Courts and so it makes especial good sense to include that "Yolo County" in the name. But frankly, I think the page which contains the actual write-up for Yolo County CASA ought to be headed "Yolo County Court Appointed Special Advocates (CASA) Volunteers", and then you ought to have the "CASA", "Yolo County CASA", "Court Appointed Special Advocate" (and perhaps also "CASA volunteer" - an often used term) pages which get redirected to the main page with the long title and the actual write-up. That makes good and practical sense to me. But that is just my point of view, and I know there is a tradition among wikis to set up page titles simplistically and in relative abbreviated form. re "Tai Chi": But the "Tai Chi" situation is a whole other 'kettle of fish': Let me start by using some examples, as you did, and perhaps counter examples: We say "Aikido" for the activity and discipline. We rarely say "Aiki", and when we do we mean something else than the activity. We say "motorcycling", but when we say "motoring" we mean something else, and when we say "cycling" we mean still something else. But about the "Tai Chi": First, in China "Tàijí" (太極 or 太极,T'ai-Chi) refers to the Yin/Yang-symbol, it does not refer to the activity. The activity is called "Tàijíquán" (太極拳 or 太极拳, T'ai-Chi Ch'uan). It's a little like analogous to "apple-pie", which in America is a symbol, not unlike "Tàijí" is in China. So we say "baking apple-pie", or "eating apple-pie"; or "as American as apple-pie" much as one might say "as Dao-ist (Taoist) as Tàijí". But then we do say "Tai Chi". And, most of the time what we mean by saying "Tai Chi" is a far cry from what we mean when we say "T'ai Chi Ch'uan" (or Taijiquan). And, then on top of all that there is the confusion that arises in writing, due to the sloppy transliteration stuff, which can be really misleading. So, Jason, what I am pointing out is that there is a dilemma, especially in putting these words into writing, and it would be nice, on the Woodland Wiki, to be clear, perhaps even to the point of being a little educational, — but of course being careful to do this in a way that is in the Woodland context, or at least the Yolo County context (as after all Woodland is the County seat). And that is what I tried to do with that "Tai Chi - T'ai Chi Ch'uan - Taijiquan" page. I hope you can understand my attempt to put together a page, one page, one with an 'inclusive' title, which other pages could be redirected to, which would resolve the dilemma enough so that it would provide a simple guideline by example, so other writers on the "Tai Chi" topic would have clarity in their use of these words.
2011-03-02 22:37:03 Just a thought — if they are three different subjects, then they should probably be three different pages. If there's a general term like "martial arts" to describe all of them, then that should have the distinction, plus a link to all three pages. Something like "Lemons - Limes - Oranges" doesn't make sense... there should be three different pages for each, with a "Citrus" page that links to each. Otherwise, you'd never be able to link to a particular subject, always having to tie all three together into one single block. —JabberWokky
